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 06-05-2006, 07:26 Post: 130443
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 Storing Pressure treated Post

I took a different approach when I fenced in a half acre for the dogs. We dug the holes first with a Kubota and PHD, then went to the lumber yard and picked up treated 4X4X8's. These came from outside storage and were wet and still straight. We put them in immediately with two bags of Sack-Crete for each one, then put on galvanized brachets and treated 2X4's for cross ties. We just worked straight through until all the cross ties were in. We eliminated most of the tendancy to warp. I am putting the slats up now.

If you are storing them keep them wet and out of the sun. The tarp is a good idea. As they dry out they usually will warp in the direction of the side that dries out first (but they can warp any old way).

The worst thing is laying them on the ground flat on damp soil with the sun beating down on them. This guarantees that the dry side will warp toward the sun.






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 06-05-2006, 14:32 Post: 130481
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Denis: Easy answer - not gonna be here in 10 years. By then I will be retired to the farm where the Kubota lives and the dogs will run free. This house will be somebody else's worry. By then, the galvanized brackets on the fence will have rotted out, too.

Currently every body is going enviro-friendly with their fencing and here are my thoughts:

1. Untreated pine is a non-starter. Around here it picks up carpenter ants within 2-3 years. We have wet, heavy clay soil which they love. They eat pine in wet soil like Doritos with beer.

2. I could go with locust or cedar and depending on the natural rot resistance of the wood this is the most "eco" way to go. I had a cedar fence and I got about 12-15 years out of it.

3. I went with treated, which is going to be maybe a little bit better than cedar.

4. Creosote is the perfect material but is on a lot of enviro-freak hit lists. I know something about creosote because I worked on a railroad track gang summers during college. Railroads figure on a 35 year life, minimum, for ties. However, we pulled out ties that had lasted 75+ years judging from the markings. You can't buy creosote treated 4X4's at Home Depot because the stuff is considered carcinogenic.

5. Within a couple of years you are going to see 4X4's made from recycled plastic. When in upstate NY near the border I picked up a brochure from a Canadian company in Toronto selling black 4X4 fence posts from waste plastic. If this fence was going to be "forever" I probably would have tried to find a distributor here in PA.

Just my thoughts. At age 59 the fence will probably outlive me anyway.






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 06-05-2006, 22:46 Post: 130504
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Ann: Actually, anecdotal evidence has its value. In this matter of materials selection you need to be especially attuned to the climate and soil conditions (and pests) in your area and their likely effect on the wood used in the project. Talk to local builders and homeowners who have attempted similar projects and form your own judgement.

No more anecdotal evidence - I promise. I will just say that my choice of materials might be very different for my primary home in a subdivision here in SE PA versus my summer home deep in the woods of NE PA. A distance of 100 miles, different soil conditions, about 8 deg F. average temperature difference and 1000 ft of additional elevation combine to make a world of difference in materials selection.






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